Sno’s TBC Rogue Weapon DPS Cheatsheet

How was this data gathered?

These are rough dps numbers ‘simmed’ using the Garcia Rogue DPS Spreadsheet. You can download his spreadsheet here if you would like to get more customized data for yourself.

Settings used in spreadsheet:

  • P1 BIS-ish gear + ideal-ish gemming as default with Vindicator’s Brand MH + Latro’s OH as a starting point
  • Correct talent swaps were made for MH weapon swaps to fist or mace MH
  • Expose armor forced (this assumes you are in a 1 rogue raid doing expose armor)
  • Full raid buffs + consumables with ideal-ish group comp (aka. you have an enhance shaman and other group buffs/consumes)
  • Sims were done as undead race. There may be some minor differences as human rogue but for TBC the difference is minor due to expertise not being as big a deal vs. weapon skill in classic

Mainhand Weapon DPS Cheatsheet

Note: Vindicator’s Brand is used as the default starting point.

MainhandDPS GainPhaseSource
Vindicator's Brand (pre-bis)01Aldor exalted reputation
Edge of the Cosmos-441The Mechanar
Illidari-Bane Broadsword-58.51Quest reward
Phosphorescent Blade-57.11The Slave Pens
Latro's Dancing Blade (no set bonus)-445Magisters' Terrace
Gressil, Dawn of Ruin-38.8Pre-TBCNaxxramas
The Sunbreaker-26.45Shattered Sun Offensive - Revered
Felsteel Longblade-33.31Crafted (Blacksmithing)
Blinkstrike (P1 BIS Gear)251World Drop
Hope Ender22.61World Boss Drop
Gladiator's Slicer30.81Arena PvP Points
Merciless Gladiator's Slicer582Arena PvP Points
Talon of Azshara75.82Serpentshrine Cavern
Blade of Infamy76.53Hyjal Summit
Vengeful Gladiator's Slicer83.43Arena PvP Points
Muramasa105.55Sunwell Plateau
Brutal Gladiator's Slicer103.35Arena PvP Points
Warglaive of Azzinoth (no set bonus)138.93Black Temple
Bloodskull Destroyer-88.81Old Hillsbrad (Heroic)
Runic Hammer-661Crafted (Blacksmithing)
Fool's Bane-241Karazhan
Drakefist Hammer1.31Crafted (Blacksmithing)
Gladiator's Pummeler-17.21Arena PvP Points
Dragonmaw24.91Crafted (Blacksmithing)
Merciless Gladiator's Pummeler8.52Arena PvP Points
Rod of the Sun King53.82Tempest Keep
Syphon of the Nathrezim27.13Black Temple
Dragonstrike47.82Crafted (Blacksmithing)
Vengeful Gladiator's Pummeler33.93Arena PvP Points
Brutal Gladiator's Pummeler52.75Arena PvP Points
Claw of the Watcher-65.41Auchenai Crypts (Heroic)
Demonblood Eviscerator-621The Shattered Halls
Reflex Blades-561The Arcatraz
Big Bad Wolf's Paw-15.71Karazhan
The Bladefist-26.31The Shattered Halls (Heroic)
Gladiator's Right Ripper6.31Arena PvP Points
Merciless Gladiator's Right Ripper31.62Arena PvP Points
Talon of the Phoenix48.52Tempest Keep
Claw of Molten Fury46.13Hyjal Summit
Vanir's Right Fist of Brutality61.45105 Badge of Justice
Vengeful Gladiator's Right Ripper57.33Arena PvP Points
Brutal Gladiator's Right Ripper76.95Arena PvP Points
Hand of the Deceiver116.75Sunwell Plateau

Offhand Weapon DPS Cheatsheet

Sword spec is way too strong when combined with the easily available Latro’s Shifting Sword. Even very good/fast daggers such as the S2 Merciless Gladiator’s Shiv were simming behind the P1 Latro’s Shifting Sword.

Weapon speed is a huge deal in dps gains. Every 0.1 speed lower gives you 10-20 dps, especially when doing expose armor rotations.

TL;DR – It is almost never worth going dagger/mace/fist offhand once you have your Latro’s and if you don’t have a Latro’s then you should go get one.

S2 gladiator weapons do slightly beat Latro’s BUT only if you aren’t doing expose armor. When you force the expose armor rotation the extra combat potency procs from the 0.1 speed difference made Latro’s win by a small margin.

This is due to a potential breakpoint where stacking T4 2 set on top of the 0.1 speed difference leads to the possibility of a qualitative rotation improvement (eg. if you couldn’t quite get enough energy to fit in an ideal rupture combination before, then you could with the gear stacked).

TL;DR – Stacking the 2 piece T4 + potential haste/combat potency gains could potentially push Latro’s ahead of S2 glad weapon when expose armoring.

This means S2 glad offhand is still good if you are aiming to pump dps and not expose armoring, but Latro’s is still the superior option when doing expose armor. The dps gain for a S2 quickblade when not exposing is about 10-15 dps, so it likely breaks fairly even when you include trash dps and such.

If you want to be extra sweaty then you can use Latro’s on bosses while doing expose armor and S2 quickblade when not exposing/killing trash.

Note: Personally, I’m still using S2 quickblade for everything because they’re coming out so close on bosses while exposing and S2 offhand is better on trash.

Note: Latro’s Shifting Sword was used as a default starting point.

OffhandDPS GainPhaseSource
Latro's Shifting Sword (pre-bis)01The Black Morass
Honor's Call-841Honor Hold/Thrallmar Rep - Exalted
Warp-Storm Warblade-78.11Mana Tombs (Heroic)
Scimitar of the Nexus-Stalkers-56.61Mana-Tombs
Revenger-65.61The Botanica
The Unbreakable Will-46.23Hyjal Summit
Inuuro's Blade-185Shattered Sun Offensive - Revered
King's Defender-45.81Karazhan
Fireguard-37.41Crafted (Blacksmithing)
Blazeguard-27.31Crafted (Blacksmithing)
Gladiator's Quickblade-16.21Arena PvP Points
Quickening Blade of the Prince-15.25Magisters' Terrace
Blazefury-17.22Crafted (Blacksmithing)
Akil'zon's Talonblade-6.94Zul'Aman
Merciless Gladiator's Quickblade-3.92Arena PvP Points
Vengeful Gladiator's Quickblade9.33Arena PvP Points
Blade of Savagery44.83Black Temple
Dragonscale-Encrusted Longblade34.95Sunwell Plateau
Brutal Gladiator's Quickblade18.45Arena PvP Points
Warglaive of Azzinoth (no set bonus)58.33Black Temple